Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe!

by latinfighter, Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:31:55 PM EST

Eleanor Clift & Newsweek is starting to believe.

They are joining a growing chorus of Democrats who believe that Hillary Clinton may actually win this nomination. The room for error on Obama's part is rapidly shrinking. He cannot afford any more reasons for the lost of confidence.

If I am an Obama supporter, this May 6th is the best & last chance for Obama to finish off Hillary Clinton or on we go to June 2008. He can do this by carrying both Indiana & NC.

He is half way there due to the built-in advantage of a very large African-American voting block in NC. He is also very competitive in IN due to its proximity to IL & a strong base of African-American voters in IN.

What's interesting about all this is the expected payback time if Clinton pulls off the miracle.
And to actually read & hear the media starting to believe.

First it was Chris Matthews last night. Today, its Eleanor Clift.

Joe Scarborough & Pat Buchanan are already close believers.

Read & Enjoy!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134012




Tags: Clinton, Obama, Payback time (all tags)

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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 3)

I believe! Solutions for America!


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:33:49 PM EST

I believe? (none / 0)

Is this the Matrix or something?


by Fairy Tale on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:31:29 PM EST
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Re: I believe? (2.00 / 2)

M: You've been...living in a dreamworld. A world where superdelegates overturn the will of the voters. A world where anyone thinks that en election with only one candidate is in any way legitimate. A world where states Clinton lost aren't "significant". All to turn you...into this ::points to Jerome::

N: No...no, I don't believe it, I don't believe it!


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:55:56 PM EST
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Re: I believe? (none / 0)

So much irony here.


by bobbank on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:12:31 PM EST
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So the McLaughlin group (2.00 / 1)

(a TV show in which Clift takes part every Sunday as the token fake liberal, together with Buchanan as the token caveman)

has begun to believe Hillary can pull 71% of delegates in every remaining contest? Because that's the only way she can win at this point.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:41:14 PM EST

What a tiring line (2.00 / 2)

when did they rewrite the rules?  It is past the point where pledged delegates will decide this- its the supers.  Sorry.


by linc on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:55:49 PM EST
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Re: What a tiring line (none / 0)

Then if it's just the supers and the pledged delegates are meaningless, why is Clinton still spending time in those states?

Oh, you meant it's both the pledged and the supers that count.

Kinda changes the meaning though.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:40:29 PM EST
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Re: What a tiring line (none / 0)

the supers will not overthrow th will of the democratic voters ,escpecially to disenfranchise the first viable black candidate.
 it would destroy the party
by theninjagoddess on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:42:04 PM EST
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Re: What a tiring line (none / 0)

You mean that disenfranchising the first viable FEMALE candidate, who has won the majority of Dem votes, for President wouldn't be overthrowing the will of the voters?


by SoCalHillMan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:44:24 PM EST
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I think you don't know (none / 0)

what 'disenfranchise' means, buddy. Or majority, for that matter.

Somebody's going to lose here. And it's not going to be the guy who won more elected delegates.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:52:41 AM EST
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Its not their fault, its his.. (none / 0)

At this point its going to take a serious reversal in his tactics.. Everything he does seems faked.. superficial...


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:25:00 PM EST
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Re: Its not their fault, its his.. (none / 0)

Tat doesn't even make sense.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:55:29 AM EST
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Re: So the McLaughlin group (none / 0)

That would be true if the rules said anything whatsoever about ceding the race to whomever has the most pledged delegates.  Howard Dean has finally spoken and clarified the matter.

I have long said this is far more fluid and, frankly, political, than the Obama talking points about math would have you believe.


by bobbank on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:13:44 PM EST
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You folks (none / 0)

are going to have to decide, and soon, which it's going to be: you can either paint yourselves, convincingly or otherwise, as champions of democracy if the unlikely thing happens and she wins the popular vote; or, you can decide to appeal to process, by demanding the supers give you what you want by overturning the elected portion of the contest.

You can't have both.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:02:02 AM EST
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Re: so TOTALLY uninformed- (none / 0)

How is that uninformed, smartypants?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:53:36 AM EST
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I have also believed it and (2.00 / 5)

good to see the MSM coming to its senses


by indus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:43:21 PM EST

Listen to yourself (2.00 / 1)

"Joe Scarborough & Pat Buchanan are already close believers." These people are Repugs, for heaven sake.
by Fairy Tale on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:44:21 PM EST

Re: Listen to yourself (2.00 / 2)

Are you an Obama supporter? If so, I thought Obama's main theme is coming together. United. I don't think we will like you calling Republicans names.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:48:22 PM EST
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Re: Listen to yourself (none / 0)

Who the hell am I kidding...


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:48:38 PM EST
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They can't approve any new memes on their own? (none / 0)

They probably need approval from their superiors..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:26:17 PM EST
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Re: Listen to yourself (none / 0)

Indeed an Obama supporter. Coming together doesn't include the Repugs, of course.


by Fairy Tale on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:12:57 PM EST
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Re: Listen to yourself (none / 0)

I don't know if this was intended to be a joke or not, but I continue to marvel at the way many Obama supporters very fundamentally misunderstand what coming together actually means.

There is a world of difference between "coming together" and "coming to me".

Unity that does not involve compromise is called a dictatorship.  For all the talk of reaching across the aisle, Obama's supporters seem to be the most outraged by the notion of actually working with people to get past differences.


by bobbank on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:17:44 PM EST
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Re: Listen to yourself (2.00 / 1)

Why you can't believe if you're a Republican ?

I thought that was Obama's Unique Selling Proposition.

Do you know how many times Liberal Media people were amazed & impressive with Ronald Reagan?

Being a Repug or a Dem does not stop a media person from calling it as it is!


by latinfighter on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:48:31 PM EST
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Re: Listen to yourself (2.00 / 1)

Scarborough and Buchanan, or Fox News for that matter obviously want the fight to go on for as long as possible. Their bet is that this way the division created in the party will give the election to the Repugs. There is nothing objective about their assessment.

They hit Hillary when they thought she would win, they hit Obama when they think he is going to win. They are playing with us, and we are letting them.

And the MSM in general is only too happy to have the fight last longer, since they are making quite a profit out of it.


by Fairy Tale on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:19:03 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 2)

This is a scathing piece about Clinton, and what you take away from it is "she can win?"  I don't get it.

"Hillary lost the media a long time ago through a combination of arrogance and entitlement, but she has won grudging respect in some unlikely quarters. Conservative commentators Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough are openly rooting for her, and Tony Blankley, who first gained notoriety as Newt Gingrich's spokesman, confessed somewhat sheepishly, "She's almost beginning to appeal to me."


by mady on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:51:10 PM EST

Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 3)

Mady,

Most if not all Clinton supporters knew a long time ago that Clinton lost the media. Actually she never had the media.

That's the awesome thing about this article.

Eleanor states it as it is.

It is an Open secret that there is only One candidate the media loves. Barack Obama.

Obama 2008 was created by the media.


by latinfighter on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:54:26 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 0)

Read the article; it truly is not kind to your candidate but you hold it up as a kind of victory hoot.  As I said, I don't get it.


by mady on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:58:59 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 1)

Mady to Earth!

Hello!

Yes, I am aware of that.

The  point is the MSM is starting to believe that the Clinton's may just pull this off & start practicing payback time.

You on the other hand are speaking from a purely Good or Bad reflection on hillary.

The article does not sugar coat the Clintons. It talks about the Good & the Bad about them.

Duhhh !


by latinfighter on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:04:33 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

Not much good!  And certainly not much appealing to most voters.

"If the Clintons get back into the White House, it will be retribution time, like the Corleone family consolidating power in "The Godfather," where the watchword is, "It's business, not personal."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:44:13 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

Mady to earth?  That doesn't even make any sense.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:04:30 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

You forgot John McCain. Just wait till they're through finishing off Hillary, then they'll turn their sights on Obama. In fact, they've already begun ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:00:08 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

So you don't agree with Hillary? It is not one speech, it is the media?


by Fairy Tale on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:26:57 PM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

Chris Matthews?

Better not let alege see you loves your Chris Matthews.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:51:21 PM EST

Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, and (2.00 / 0)

all Repblicans who want to run against Hillary. Obama has already won. It's just when do the supers end it. If he wins Indiana and N. Carolina, they'll end it the week after. Otherwise they'll end it after all the primaries are done.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:59:18 PM EST

Re: sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (2.00 / 0)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/040 8/9862.html


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:03 PM EST
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Boggle... (2.00 / 0)

You point to a article that says expect pay back if she wins, explains that she lost the media long ago due to "Arrogance and Entitlement" and then points to the support of Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough as rooting for her as a sign?

Ok, I just want to understand your positions.  Do you think democrats should select their candidates based on the preferences of Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan?

Or

That Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan have the best interest of the democratic party or progressive movement in mind when they support Sen. Clinton?


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:00:34 PM EST

Re: Boggle... (2.00 / 0)

No, we should select our nominee in June based on the number of actual Registered Democrats who voted for Clinton or Obama.

That's the measurement

If it was up to the MSM, Obama would be President today.

They are itching to be Say, " First Black President".

They seem to forget that McCain will kick his butt.


by latinfighter on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:07:34 PM EST
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Re: Boggle... (2.00 / 0)

Except Obama's winning!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/general_election_mccai n_vs_obama-225.html

He's also winning against Hillary but by a smaller margin.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:22:49 PM EST
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couldn't be said any better (none / 0)

and when its mcCain v. Obama, it will be "who do they love more" and McCain, the veteran will win that contest. Be prepared for a repeat of 1988


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:46:53 AM EST
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Re: Boggle... (none / 0)

Neither, but you have to use MyDD Backward Logic:  The Democrats should select Hillary Clinton.  Scarborough and Buchanan support her.  Therefore they are correct.


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:38:00 AM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (none / 0)

A little late for that rule, no?

Unless you have a time machine it's a waste of time to even discuss "registered democrats" that's not the metric in use.  

Revisionist rule setting only supports the "do anything, say anything" problem Sen. Clinton has, which by the way is a major contributor to her 50%+ negatives and 55%+ don't trust numbers.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:14:26 PM EST

Fantasy About Clintons Purging Dem Party (none / 0)

If HRC wins via superdelegates, an army of Obama supporters will challenge every one of them for re-election. And in many places, Hillary supporters will be out-voted, and in all places, Hillary loyalists will be vastly out-organized and out-funded.

That Newsweek piece was seriously dumb.


by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:24:16 PM EST

Re: Fantasy About Clintons Purging Dem Party (none / 0)

Clinton is seen so negatively that today a big fundraiser switched from supporting Clinton to Obama. This is a Hispanic who was appointed to an ambassadorship under Bill Clinton.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/04/25/947244.aspx


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:48:13 PM EST
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Re: gabe is a major jerk and far from a major play (none / 0)

Totally, dude.  They're like paper tiger-rats with feet of clay, grasping at straws while rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.

Who knows, once they've lost in terms of delegates and total votes, they'll probably argue that "pledged delegates are free to switch sides."  Or maybe "GIMME!"


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:44:55 AM EST
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Re: Payback Time! Newsweek Starting to Believe! (2.00 / 0)

Richardson will come crawling back to the Clintons for a Cabinet position.


by musicpvm on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:49:59 PM EST

Re: I worked for the Clintons (none / 0)

I wonder what will become of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Judas, I mean Billy Richardson. I will feel for those poor souls if Hillary gets the nomination. Clinton hating for some reason is ingrained in media culture. I guess its the jealousy factor of people like Olbermann, who see the Clintons, who have lived the American dream, not the Hawaiian privilege Obama came from, or the Joe Kennedy or Forbes family background most of him and the media stiffs came from who never become half as powerful as the Clintons.

What did you do for the Clintons?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:52:27 AM EST

Re: I worked for the Clintons (none / 0)

I'm not sure why "Bill Clinton won a general election in 1992" is an argument supporting "Hillary Clinton will win a primary in 2008," but...

Who am I to judge?  Maybe at their level they have enough hit points and a high enough saving throw to slay the Barack despite his numerical advantages.


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:52:52 AM EST


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