I guess it does and it will take a Clinton...

by mtg44234, Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:03:56 PM EST

"As a girl and then as a woman, Hillary has almost always been desperate to be a passionate participant and at the center of events: familial, generational, experiential, political, historical. Call it ambition, call it the desire to make the world a better place-she has been driven. Rarely has she stepped aside voluntarily into passivity"-Carl Berstein, A Woman In Charge

For all those who love politics, for all those who check the websites every hour to get that little bit of election news, and for all those wake up every morning wondering what will be next, this my friend will be the news. Whether or not Obama will pick Hillary Clinton to be Vice President of the United States.

She love this country, she is driven to better individuals lives, and the drive is there. Whether you want us to quick pushing us for her to serve as Vice President, please do not ignore the following and power that she has now.

Poll after poll, commentary after commentary, day after day, I see an emerging argument that Hllary is needed to help Obama against the predicted Republican Attack Machine. It is just getting warmed up and I am sure the best is yet to come against our Democratic Candidate for President.

Nancy Pelosi, David Gergen, George Stephanopolis, Donna Brazile (I know...shocking), and possibly now even Chuck Todd are swaying Hillary's way. The press wants Obama and now after a dreadful week for our candidate, the press no realizes that Hillary will only help him cross the finish line.

Shedules can be changed and the conventions, alliances can be formed for the good of the party, and wounds can heal. Do not count her out yet....this could be Hillary's New Hampshire all over again.




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Don't worry (2.00 / 1)

everything is going to be just fine.


by QTG on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:05:05 PM EST

Ha ha ha (none / 0)

Every week or so a comment makes you laugh out loud.


by Dale Johnson 007 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:10:29 PM EST
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When he doesn't pick her people will be shocked (none / 0)

so many are not following the race as closely as we are. They have no idea that he's not going to pick her. His poll numbers should drop some after he picks somebody else.


by catfish2 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:06:51 PM EST

Re: When he doesn't pick her people will (none / 0)

I agree that some folks will be shocked.

But it goes both ways. Some folks (swing voters/Republicans who want to vote Democratic this year) will be relieved that he doesn't pick her. It'll give him cred. Whereas, older Democrats may be shocked. It's a wash really.


by Dale Johnson 007 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:12:20 PM EST
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Hopefully he'll pick Kaine (none / 0)

The least damaging veep.


by catfish2 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:12:19 PM EST
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Rebuttal (none / 0)

Clark.  Best, most positive, etc.


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:27:28 PM EST
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Re: Rebuttal (none / 0)

Everyone falls off for me after Wes.

Hillary is the only one close, I would be OK with Biden after that.

Kaine, Bayh, safe but bland. Not a strong enough attack dog, not enough FP experience.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:46:27 PM EST
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Re: Rebuttal (none / 0)

I totally agree.  And though I like Edwards personally, I like him a lot more as President than as VP.  Hillary is a pretty close second for me as well, after Clark.


by ProgressiveDL on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:13:22 PM EST
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Re: Rebuttal (none / 0)

Is Edwards even a possibility with the National Enquirer pictures?


by ellend818 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:15:27 PM EST
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Re: Rebuttal (none / 0)

I doubt it, but not because of the pictures.  God help us the day the National Enquirer plays ANY role in anything, let alone politics.


by ProgressiveDL on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:53:43 PM EST
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Re: When he doesn't pick her people will be shocke (none / 0)

I suppose we'll find out tomorrow...


by TCQuad on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:30:20 PM EST
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Why tomorrow (none / 0)

what happens tomorrow.


by catfish2 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:34:07 PM EST
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Re: Why tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Heavy betting on an announcement tomorrow. I've seen mentions from various blogs that there's an unscheduled event that they've been invited to cover. The VP staff also arrived yesterday in Chicago.

The Olympics start on Friday, so if you want a full day of coverage, announcement on Wednesday, analysis on Thursday and let the Olympics take over on Friday makes the most sense. Since Obama has some vacation time during the Olympics, conventional wisdom is that you'll see the VP (and Hillary) out there doing some grunt work while the media is distracted by the Games.


by TCQuad on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Why tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Why would Cheney be campaigning for Obama?

And if its not Hillary they won't end up VP.

So unless you are talking about Gore I think you have it wrong...


by dtaylor2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:23:18 AM EST
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Re: Why tomorrow (none / 0)

Um.... By VP staff, I mean the staff for the VP nominee. The office headed by Patti Solis Doyle. According to this Chicago Tribune article, the staff started arriving Monday.

Amid seemingly endless speculation about who Obama will select, a group of new employees arrived Monday at his Chicago headquarters to help prepare the campaign apparatus needed to support the vice presidential candidate. More than a dozen employees are now in place as part of a staff ultimately expected to total 30 to 40.

With a second campaign plane at the ready, they are a staff in waiting, just like the rest of the nation's political junkies who are eager to see what signals the Illinois Democrat and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) send with their selections.

The local news here just said Bayh denied anything for tomorrow, which surprised me a little. I'd be really surprised if Obama waited until after the Olympics. A large stage with millions watching would be a great time to showcase and define the joint ticket.


by TCQuad on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:12:47 AM EST
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Re: Why tomorrow (none / 0)

Ha.  I like bad jokes.  But they have to be REALLY bad.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:13:49 AM EST
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Nancy Pelosi? I thought I read a news item (none / 0)

somewhere that she was pushing Chet Edwards candidacy for VP ...


by louisprandtl on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:07:11 PM EST

Re: Nancy Pelosi? I thought I read a news item (none / 0)

if that's who Nancy wants it must be part of some back room deal with dumbaya again


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:10:27 PM EST
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Re: Nancy Pelosi? I thought I read a news item (none / 0)

That's just Nancy throwing a bone to the Blue Dogs. Pretty obvious tactical move. Not sure what good it does, but...whatever.


by Dale Johnson 007 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:11:06 PM EST
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Re: Nancy Pelosi? I thought I read a news item (none / 0)

Chet Edwards is not a Blue Dog.


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:40:41 PM EST
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Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (2.00 / 1)

I think to be effective and make any real difference as VP you have to be a scumbag like Cheney.

And since I don't think Hillary is a scumbag, I think she's better off continuing to serve the people of NY (though, in a way all Americans) in the Senate.

If Obama chooses Hillary, I will support the ticket enthusiastically. But I don't think being VP is where Hillary, or anybody who wants Hillary to really make a difference, will be.


by pomology on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:18:10 PM EST

I agree with you (2.00 / 1)

Hillary as VP is basically Hillary out of the game. I want her free and fighting, not cutting ribbons at new Wal-Marts.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:25:47 PM EST
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Re: I agree with you (none / 0)

No Hillary as VP means someone on the inside knows what they are doing at the level that the Clintons do.

Bush's real damage was being an idiot.

Bill Clinton if you told him in 2000 that he could run the country for 8  more years provided he cut taxes on the rich, invaded iraq and afghanistan, and let oil companies make tons of money.....Bill Clinton could have done all that without screwing up the country.  He's that good.  Probably would have settled the Israel Palestine thing by now too.  If Colin Powell ran the post war effort we may have skipped almost all the fighting with a little bit of respect and cultural understanding.  Add a real solar and wind effort 6 years ago and the oil spike wouldn't hurt near as much...Bush may be evil for the strategic actions he has taken but he is mostly evil for HOW he has done them.

Having smart gifted people whispering in the presidents ear...or even whispering in the chief of staffs ear makes a MASSIVE difference.  Most people when given a list of possible actions one of which is the best can often identify the best idea when given a brief argument for each idea.  On the other hand most people CANNOT identify the best idea without having it spelled out for them.

The Clinton's merely need a single person on the inside to convey their idea of the right move and it will vastly increase our quality of life as a nation.


by dtaylor2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:32:39 AM EST
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I tend to believe (none / 0)

in "VP as surrogate" instead of "VP as adviser". But you've explained your position well.


by Neef on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:10:09 PM EST
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Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (2.00 / 4)

After Obama's amazing come back to the ridiculous tire gauge attack and his incredible response ad to the McCain "maverick" ad, you really think he needs someone to hold his hand to fight the oh-so-scary wrinkled white guy (thanks, Paris!) John McCain?????


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:32:34 PM EST

Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (none / 0)

Yes after dropping 10 pts in a week to this same white haired guy we think Obama is in serious trouble and hasn't even faced whatever the GOP has in store yet.

They are still waiting till he is 100% the candidate.

So once again as hard as it is to believe for some Obama is in more trouble at this point that Kerry was.


by dtaylor2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:35:22 AM EST
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If you were an Obama supporter (none / 0)

in the primaries, you would know by now not to flip out over the daily blips and bumps in the polls.  Steady as she goes.


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:55:55 AM EST
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Re: If you were an Obama supporter (none / 0)

Obama lost the 2nd half of the primaries pretty badly.


by dtaylor2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:12:50 AM EST
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Except for the ones he won (none / 0)

After PA it was "Is Obama tanking?"  Then NC showed his support was resilient.  

Then after WV it was "OMG Obama is collapsing"...whoops, 18 point victory in OR.

Long-time Obama supporters realize that his support is solid and resilient and don't freak out over the polls or the media narrative of the day.


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:19:02 AM EST
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Re: Except for the ones he won (none / 0)

Hey, nothing to do with anything, but check out LatinoVoter's new sig:

"Barack tried to do McCain like he did Hillary. He was riding dirty with the race card."

What a maroon.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:22:29 AM EST
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As long as we don't get a repeat (none / 0)

of this creepy performance, we should count our blessings.


by JJE on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 10:14:35 AM EST
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Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (2.00 / 1)

Who says Obama had a horrible week? His lead has been consistent is all the major polls (besides the Daily Tracking).

Anyway, I agree, that Hillary and even Bill are wanted to help Obama. A united Democratic Party is a good thing.


by Lolis on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:47:47 PM EST

Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (none / 0)

I agree I think "Hillary Night" will take on a whole new meaning. We will see


by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:03 PM EST

Re: I guess it does and it will take a Clinton... (none / 0)

No comment.


by username on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:04:28 PM EST


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