ABC: Edwards admits affair!

Bumped, so, the initial denial by Rielle Hunter and John Edwards that he was the father was correct, but then the affair turned out to be true afterall. A tangled web of lies... jerome

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5 441195&page=1

Edwards has admitted having an extramarital relationship. However, he denies being the father of the child. Elizabeth did not know he was meeting with her in California.

Elizabeth is speaking at the DNC; John might not.

Just amazing!

SIDE THOUGHT: What if Kerry-Edwards won in 2004 and were running for re-election. This could have been devastating.



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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 4)

Sad, how terribly sad, for Elizabeth especially.

Sigh...


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:04:29 PM EST

i'd call it depressing... (none / 0)

even though i wasn't an edwards supporter, this just seems so out of character.  was i fooled...


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by bored now on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:30:49 PM EST
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Re: i'd call it depressing... (none / 0)

I don't know about "out of character."

Guess that's all I'll say.


by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:36:31 PM EST
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my sense is that we should stop with the cliches. edwards said his wife knew since 2006. they seem to have worked it out between themselves and she campaigned for him this year. let's not give her feelings we want her to have when she is might be trying to move on and might have forgiven her husband for all we know.


by LeftistAddiction on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:20:24 PM EST
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Exactly.  That's savage behavior to do that while she was going through a fight for her life.


by reggie44pride on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:06:59 PM EST

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

Losing a son

Fighting cancer

Having husband cheat on you

class act, Mr. Edwards


by bobestes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM EST
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ABC news says (none / 0)

he makes a point that the affair was in 2006 when they thought the cancer was in remission.

Not that it's much better or that he is credible on that.


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by John DE on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:16:17 PM EST
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What a great guy. Only cheats on his wife when she's not dying of cancer.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:19:42 PM EST
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I am loathe to criticize others for their personal lives.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:21:25 PM EST
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Re: ABC news says (none / 0)

I know what you mean about privacy, but think about this:

He had the affair even though he knew he was going to run for president.

He could have gotten the nomination, then this came out.

I'm sorry, it's that kind of self-centeredness that turned me off to Bubba.


by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:38:26 PM EST
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This is what infuriates me.  He KNEW that this ticking time bomb was out there, but here he was, glibly running for office.  What if he'd been our nominee?  Weeks before the election, here we go again, another Democrat who can't keep it in his pants, it's like a joke.  Geebus, can you imagine the panic and disaster if he had been the presumed nominee, or the presumptive VP pick?  How dare he do this to us?


by milton333 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:52:50 PM EST
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Yet McCain is an admitted adulterer(he cheated with this wife on his ex-wife) and no one seems to care .. and the NY Times was shouted down when it claimed a few months ago that McCain had another affair


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:10:13 PM EST
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Come on you know the rule (2.00 / 1)

For republicans it only count if it is a dead girl or a live boy


by nibit25 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 10:14:14 PM EST
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Come on you know the rule (none / 0)

For republicans it only counts if it is a dead girl or a live boy


by nibit25 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 10:14:44 PM EST
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Not a psychologist, but (none / 0)

it seems that for certain personality types, they just can't help it.

Certain uh, urges access the brain at a lower level than rational thought.  Most of us can suppress it when necessary.  Others can't.

Not that this excuses Edward's behavior.  I'm simply offering it as an explanation as to why it may seem out of character.

Wonder why he's admitting it now.  Who had the goods on him?


by corph on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:41:02 PM EST
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This has been rumored since the affair occurred. (none / 0)

I'm sure the republicans had the goods on him and would have been waiting for him to get the nomination before it became public.  


by Tenafly Viper on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:13:06 PM EST
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THAT is a very great point.  I have the same issues with Bill.  I don't hate the guy but I lost a lot of respect for him.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:53:12 PM EST
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If "that kind of self-centeredness" turns you off I suspect every presidential candidate will disappoint you. Seriously thinking you can run the U.S. requires an unusually healthy self-regard.


by souvarine on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:58:51 PM EST
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Re: ABC news says (2.00 / 2)

And do you know whether the proportion of politicians/presidential candidates who have affairs is different from that of the population at-large?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:03:42 PM EST
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Excellent point. (none / 0)

Politicians don't migrate here from Uranus. They grow up with the values of the popular culture - and the latter is way permissive when it comes to extramarital affairs. We have top 40 hits openly advocating it - ever heard Uncle Cracker's "Follow Me"? The shock and indignation are laughable.


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by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:01:45 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point. (none / 0)

that's not exactly empirical data.

One could just as easily argue that because politicians are always in the spotlight and are supposed to have spotless backgrounds, there's less incentive to have affairs lest they torpedo their own consuming ambitions.

Of course, I'm just pulling that out of you-know-where, which is my point. I don't buy that "all politicians do it," or at least, do it more than the public. For every diaper-wearing David Vitter or toe-tapping Larry Craig, there are hundreds of hard-working elected politicians who DON'T cheat on their wives. But you never hear about that, because faithful marriages make for dull copy.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:12:53 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point. (none / 0)

What isn't empirical?

I was agreeing with the point you seemed to be making: that politicians aren't any more or less predisposed to adultery than the general population. Not to a statistically significant extent, anyway. That people are shocked and scandalized when that happens is what I don't understand.

Equally laughable: the surprise that a politician would selfishly put personal ambition before the welfare of his party or his nation. It takes more than a small measure of hubris and conceit - if not ruthlessness - to run for office to begin with. Politics isn't for the selfless - individuals with the latter bent join the peace corps.


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by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:51:20 PM EST
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Don't project your low standards on everybody else.


by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:05:16 PM EST
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Bubba?

Get the F outa here with that crap....


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:05:25 PM EST
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You shouldn't be.


by reggie44pride on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 04:46:18 AM EST
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have you led a perfectly moral life yourself? come on, edwards said his wife knew about this since 2006, so they might be trying to move on and if that's true she clearly accepted to forgive to some degree since they were side by side all year. so don't put your own moral self-righteousness on a woman who might be trying to move on.


by LeftistAddiction on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:21:55 PM EST
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Re: ABC news says (none / 0)

I've not cheated on my wife, let alone while she was fighting for her life (or in remission, as the reprobate Edwards suggests to mollify his guilt).  I'd say that makes him a scumbag, but go ahead and justify/rationalize his behavior anyway you need to.

PS  I was an Edwards guy in 2004 and 2008.  So save me the speeches.


by reggie44pride on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 04:48:14 AM EST
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it is v. sad. (2.00 / 1)

but since the atmosphere here today is questionable i have to ask, are you celebrating this?


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by canadian gal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:07:51 PM EST

Re: it is v. sad. (2.00 / 2)

Jerome was an Edwards supporter in the Primaries after Warner dropped, so I doubt he is celebrating.  This is extremely sad, especially given his young kids and his wife's condition.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:35:04 PM EST
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Re: it is v. sad. (2.00 / 3)

No one is celebrating.  No one.  Some things are just sad.


by howardpark on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:47:27 PM EST
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Re: it is v. sad. (none / 0)

Thanks for that concise moment of sanity.

Have some mercy her, people.


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:07:28 PM EST
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Re: it is v. sad. (none / 0)

I never said anyone WAS celebrating... I actually said, NO they weren't.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:38:56 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 1)

At the most, unless Obama is courageous and forgiving, Edwards is likely nixed for a cabinet position.

The Kennedys were notorious for their inability to keep their instincts in check, but Edwards is no Kennedy in that forgiving sense. But he is a social democrat and one of the ilk. Hope that he is still considered.


by shyboy on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:07:57 PM EST

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

Sad, especially since ABC made some reference to the campaign putting her in a high paid position.  He could have made a great "fire and brimstone" AG, but this kind of behavior, given his wife's condition, really calls into question his character.  Like I said, sad more than anything else


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by xenontab on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:17:14 PM EST
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The political enviroment was a LOT different than when the Kennedys were in charge.  The media overlooked A LOT of things that they never would anymore.

I doubt Edwards would get the AG spot now... but that doesn't mean he couldn't get it down the road.  Afterall, McCain is a cheater and he is running for President.  Newt divorced his wife while she was sick.  These guys have survived... an affair isn't as much a scarlet letter anymore but it takes a cooling off period.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM EST
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After SPitzer fiasco no way Edwards gets to be AG with this going on.

No wonder EE supported Hillary-- I always wondered about that.


by Bob Beard on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:05:44 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

Well there is a HUGE difference... What Spitzer did was illegal.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:56:46 PM EST
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It's not a live boy or a dead girl so I guess he still has a shot.


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by kasjogren on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 1)

wow, this is just wow, and had Edwards won the primaries or if he had been named the VP

wow. I am shocked Edwards would do this, and as one said on MSNBC, to do this in 2006 and THEN run for president and hold yourself out as VP?


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by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:12:32 PM EST

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 1)

That was my first thought.

I don't care about his private life, but when it causes us to take a hit, it's serious business.

He let the side down.


by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:42:13 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

I don't know, Vitter still holds his seat, and Larry is still utilizing his wide stance in congressional John's, so what makes this any different? I feel for the kids, but I'll say it again, what goes on in other people's marraiges should be no ones business but there own!!!!!


by Dog Chains on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:13 PM EST

IOKIYAR (2.00 / 1)


by JJE on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:58 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

The difference is, you're not supposed to get caught until you're already in office.


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by Steve M on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:21:59 PM EST
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Goddammit John Edwards. He should have owned up to this months ago. Now stupid Mickey Kaus is happy and the stupid National Enquirer is right. I HATE THAT.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:34 PM EST

the nat'l enquirer (none / 0)

is more trustworthy than the MSM


by highgrade on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:42 PM EST

Re: the nat'l enquirer (none / 0)

Right. Just ask Bat Boy.


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by X Stryker on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:56:45 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 3)

Kinda stunned right now....but rapidly moving towards massively pissed-off at Edwards.


by blueflorida on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:14:34 PM EST

A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (none / 0)

I am NO FAN OF EDWARDS.

That said, this is nobody's business.  


by BigBoyBlue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:15:48 PM EST

Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (2.00 / 3)

Sure, but, a guy who cheats on his wife, who previously lost a son and who is dying of cancer, is in most books, a cad.

He happens to be a public figure, but if I knew the guy at the end of the street did that, I wouldn't have much respect for him.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:17:49 PM EST
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Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (1.66 / 3)

I'm not an Edwards fan at all, always thought he was phony for other reasons, but in his defense from your comment, you have NO CLUE what happens or goes on within his marraige!!!


by Dog Chains on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:23:16 PM EST
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Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for calling him a phony. I've always thought that about him, especially after he piled on Dean in 2004 regarding Dean's "Iwanna be the candidate for everyone including people with confederate flags in their window" remark. Then of course, after Dean was surging, Edwards stump speech magically morphed into a nearly identical rip-off from Dean's.

I was always a bit put off by the mass Edwards lovefest in some left-leaning circles.


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by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:27:00 PM EST
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Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (2.00 / 1)

yeah, I agree, not even saying he is one as that was just always the vibe I personally got from him (and my opinion means no more or less then anyone else's). I just don't like the societal implications of feeling like it is appropriate to discuss the happenings of other marraiges (obviously the person who TR'd me disagrees).


by Dog Chains on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:42:33 PM EST
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Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (none / 0)

It was pretty obvious that he was trying to be a 2008 version of Dean.

I mean, he hired Joe Trippi for cripe's sake!

Surprised how many bloggers fell for it, frankly.


by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:44:44 PM EST
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I suspect that the blogosphere liked his message (none / 0)

and not necessarily the messenger.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:07:14 PM EST
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But you don't ... (none / 0)

... repeatedly lie about it to Democratic primary voters in order to be your party's nominee.  Had this come out in October, John Edwards would have single-handedly cost us four more years of George W. Bush's policies and Supreme Court appointments.  That's where the line is drawn.


by Brad G on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:22:28 PM EST
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Re: A Private Matter. Nobody's Business. (none / 0)

I agree.  I was never a fan, but this is none of our business.

This makes me think that somebody was frightened by the idea of an Attorney General Edwards and dug up dirt to take him down.


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by psychodrew on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:53:37 PM EST
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I feel like the whole thing was senseless... (none / 0)

I can't believe so many people are bringing up the morality aspect in the first place; most Democrats really don't care.  If anything his integrity is lost because he didn't address the affair in a responsible way before he ran for office--and not simply because he had one.

The press has long suspected the affair and he's been questioned about it before.  The republicans likely knew about this and were planning his October suprise if he won the nomination.  

It's unthinkable that anyone who claims to care about this country would put this election at risk for our party. It seems to me that he cares more about his own ambition than America and that's the only morality issue I'm willing to raise.


by Tenafly Viper on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:34:17 PM EST
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could (2.00 / 1)

you imagine if this douche won the nomination instead of Obama?


by hocuspocus on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:17:15 PM EST

Re: could (none / 0)

I think we'd be in trouble, but we'd be gearing up for a convention fight for either Obama or Hillary if he had.  Whether the short period of time would hurt us too much to win would be the question.  Then again, McCain cheated on his wife with Cindy so....


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:41:20 PM EST
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Exactly... (none / 0)

Bad as this is, there's no way McCain or his surrogates can say anything about it.


by KTinOhio on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:12:18 PM EST
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Ah, the superdelegates have use. (none / 0)

Now we understand.


by Brad G on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:24:00 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 1)

What if Kerry-Edwards had won?  What if Edwards had been nominated as VP this year?


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:18:38 PM EST

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

According to friends of Hunter, Edwards met her at a New York city bar in 2006.

So, if Kerry/Edwards had won in 2004, the affair wouldn't have happened.


by TCQuad on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:24:34 PM EST
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I'd hope the VP vetting process (none / 0)

would have netted this fact.


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by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:09:16 PM EST
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Wow... (2.00 / 2)

This isn't anyone's business...but personally, with Elizabeth's condition, the pain she had to go through...it makes it real hard for me to say I can respect this man again.


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by zcflint05 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:18:55 PM EST

don't get carried away... (none / 0)

we are all human, we each have our own foibles and none of us are perfect.  trying to imagine that politicians -- who have temptation all around them -- are perfect doesn't make much sense.  you can respect the politician without respecting the husband (this is really between his wife and himself)...


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by bored now on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:36:15 PM EST
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Re: don't get carried away... (none / 0)

Well, I don't think anyone's calling for a mob to tar and feather him...

I think it's perfectly legitimate to say you've lost respect for him.

I know I have.

That has exactly ZERO bearing on views on poverty and such -- but it has a whole world of impact on my view of JRE's character.


by zonk on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:01:09 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (none / 0)

I may be in the minority that YES it IS our business in so much as character (and lack there of) is one of the most important factors in a president. This is a guy that wanted to be 1 step from the most powerful person in the world in 2004 and then president in 2008. Character, values, morals our definitely our business--you make it our business when you decide to run for office.

Edwards I believe is Catholic, which means he believes marriage is a sacred vow of the highest order. He broke that. Removing religion from the equation and marriage is still based on trust, which he betrayed. I'm old-school I guess in thinking the leader of our country should be a role model, shouldn't betray the trust of those closest to him, shouldn't betray a sacred vow. Infidelity makes you a liar and I can't think of a whole lot that is morally dispicable than lying to and cheating on the person you are supposed to love most in the world. Its why he and people like him (Bubba) aren't fit for the office of the presidency.


by bigdaddy on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:05:33 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (none / 0)

That's why religion and marriage are #s 1 and 2 among biggest scams in history.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:13:17 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (none / 0)

FWIW, I thought JRE was Protestant -- Methodist, I believe.


by KTinOhio on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:13:34 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (none / 0)

I don't think that changes the point I was trying to make though, but thanks for correcting me. I'm an atheist (raised catholic) so I understand what marriage is supposed to mean in terms of vows, but don't really believe in any of that stuff (I just dislike hypocrisy). In any event add his supporters, and presumably John Kerry to the list of people he lied to.


by bigdaddy on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:49:34 PM EST
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He's not Catholic. (none / 0)

If he was, I'd know.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:12:28 PM EST
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this is a big shame (none / 0)

because while he is not a good Presidential candidate, his message still does well to an audience when talking about poverty and two Americas. He woulda been great at the convention, and I still think he should be there, but thats not likely. Its sad that adultery always grabs headlines in the US, it is family business.


by Lakrosse on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:19:45 PM EST

Re: this is a big shame (1.50 / 2)

I think his message of poverty and two americas is about as genuine as his protestations that he never cheated on his wife.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:22:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (1.66 / 3)

He magically became a populist after he saw how well Dean was doing in the polls in 2003.

Anyway, I wonder if "two Americas" means you get to have one partner in each America....


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by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:28:58 PM EST
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Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

Whats with the troll rate, politicsmatters???


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:33:12 PM EST
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Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

I think it's a nasty insult to say what you said about partners in two Americas. Edwards did come from a working class background and talked about poverty and class in a way that many Americans resonated with. He was never my first choice, but I see no need to put him down that way.  If there's anything Democrats care about, it's life chances of poor and working class Americans.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:38:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

Oh it was just a joke on a blog. Sorry to offend. But I think a guy who dumps on his cancer stricken wife deserves it.

I'm not joking about there being two Americas, I'm joking about Edwards. Besides, he never started talking about the whole 2 Americas thing until it became apparent that populism was the way to go, ala Howard Dean.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:41:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

A lot of the kool aid drinkers in the netroots that just want to be paid attention to bought his two americas populist schtick, but the reason why Edwards lost the nomination is because he lacked authenticity. By and large, Democratic voters didn't buy it.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:00:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

And thank goodness for that!

Anyway, my one friend was saying "what if Obama had picked him as his veep" to which I replied "I'm sure Obama's vetting team already knew about this".


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:04:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

Well, he wasn't my top choice. I was for Clinton and switched to Obama in January. But I still don't think we should insult Edwards using phrases based in his very important campaign theme.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:10:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. I just didn't think it was troll-worthy...


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:17:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is a big shame (none / 0)

What do you base your assertion upon?


onlinesavant
by onlinesavant on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:39:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 2)

I long ago gave up any fantasy that politicians were saints. I hope John Edwards can work things out with Elizabeth.


by souvarine on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:20:04 PM EST

Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (none / 0)

It sounds like they have if she found out about in 2006.  This did happen almost 2 years ago.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:42:55 PM EST
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Re: ABC: Edwards admits affair! (2.00 / 1)

Well, there goes any hope of him speaking at the convention. What a shame.


by Angry White Democrat on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:20:17 PM EST

It's alright - we'll get by. (none / 0)

Amazing speakers like Bill and Al won't hurt either, not to mention the Obamagician.


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by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:19:05 PM EST
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Shame on him.  By the way, I don't know why a guy who's admitting to lying is credible when he says the baby isn't his.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  If it isn't, and the affair is long over, why the heck would he be having surreptitious meetings with her at some hotel?


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by Steve M on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:23:10 PM EST

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That was my question too.

Also completely unbelievable: The idea that she was living in fancy houses the last two years and that his staff or supporters might have given her some money, but he didn't know about it.

At this point, he should just come clean.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:24:48 PM EST
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Agreed, those claims aren't very convincing. (none / 0)

But it's probably what he wants Elizabeth to think.


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by Sumo Vita on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:21:36 PM EST
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I am as disappointed with one of my political heroes, John Edwards, having  sex  and lying about it, outside his marriage (to a wonderful wife) as I was when it happened to another of my heroes Bill Clinton.

I would only hope that anyone taking glee in this..
also condemns Bill Clinton...

I took and do not take glee in either.
John Edwards will not be VP or AG...
..but I hope he will have a voice with the issue of Poverty.


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by nogo postal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:23:56 PM EST

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Disclaimer: I was never an Edwards fan

However, I would defend what Bill did and not defend Edwards based simply on the fact that his wife was battling cancer when he was cheating on her. How low is that??

But either way, it has no bearing on how one would govern, and I didn't want Edwards to govern anything even before any of this nonsense came out.


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by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:31:18 PM EST
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That's not correct.  You may want to read the article.  THe cancer was in remission when the affair happened.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:43:51 PM EST
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I did read the article, and you are correct that that is what Edwards claims.

a) I'm not so sure I believe him, and

b) Just because it was in remission for a whole year or so doesn't make it any less pathetic. The woman has gone through the loss of a child AND cancer, and now this.


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by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:45:53 PM EST
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Fair enough... dealing in the facts as we know them, I'll assume the date until proven otherwise... but I agree it was a despicable thing to do.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:51:47 PM EST
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I do not get why what Bill did is OK.  I'm not trying to be snarky, but it seems to me that you're saying it's OK to cheat on your spouse provided he or she does not have cancer.


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by soccerandpolitics on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:56:18 PM EST
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I'm not saying what Bill did is OK. I realize my comment may seem to suggest that - sorry for the confusion.

What I am saying is that in Edwards case it is far more reprehensible considering what
Elizabeth Edwards has gone through, but that's just my opinion. Plus there's the (as yet unproven) allegations of $100,000 or so in hush money being paid to the lady in question.

Really, the worst part about it with Edwards is that he could have flushed our chances down the toilet had he been the nominee.


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by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:01:17 PM EST
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OK, I understand where you're coming from now.

For some reaon I keep thinking about whether cheating on a sick spouse is more morally reprehensible than cheating on a nonsick spouse.  I can see where cheating on a sick spouse is seen as kicking them while they're down.  But, I can also see where illness creates stress in the marriage that leads to infidelity.  Truth is I really don't know anything about the marital lives of John and Elizabeth, so I'm really not in a position to judge exactly how reprehensible his acts were.

Agree about the flush our chances down the toilet part.  It's certainly the part with the greatest potential negative consequences and the most direct connection to me personally.  Since this was first reported back in October 2007, Edwards had to know he was playing Russian Roulette with Democratic presidential aspirations by running for President with this skeleton in his closet.  I do judge him harshly for this.


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by soccerandpolitics on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:46:05 PM EST
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nogo - do you miss a beat? (none / 0)

why unnecessarily bring up the clintons?  this is none of the public's business nor were bill's.


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by canadian gal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:31:20 PM EST
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Edwards I agree with you.  A sitting President... absolutely that is our business.  The leader of the free world putting himself in a position that the integrity of his office could be compromised is damn sure the publics business.  Bill was absolutely irresponsible in his behavior and not only let his family down but let the American Public down.  That affair left him open to all kinds of blackmail and extortion.   Its was a STUPID thing for him to do.  NOW, do I think he should have been impeached over the whole mess... ABSOLUTELY NOT!  I supported censure for it, but the impeachment thing was a BS witchhunt by some truly awful people.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:47:11 PM EST
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And you do have to admit Bill made himself a lame duck far earlier than he should have been.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:12:28 PM EST
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True... although I am not sure it was lame duck as much as the impeachment taking up all the time.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:58:42 PM EST
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It certainly isn't our business. But Letterman et al will be all over it and you know they'll drag Bill in, too.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:47:20 PM EST
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....jeez


by zenful6219 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:25:27 PM EST

who cares? It's personal. (2.00 / 1)

Plenty of politicians had affairs, including Bill Clinton and John McCain.

I think it's all completely besides the point that they did - and has NOTHING to do with what they would or did do in office policy-wise.

No one every thought Dick Nixon strayed from his marriage. That didn't make him a good president.

And FDR did do so and I think he was the best president we've ever had.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:26:08 PM EST

Re: who cares? It's personal. (none / 0)

It is a character judgment however.  As time goes away, the importance dies down... mistakes are made.  But to not expect public outrage or disappointment when its exposed is a bit naive.  He did a bad thing... but yes it is forgivable.  

Yes though I have a problem with a sitting President having an affair.  It may not affect their governing ability, but it has the potential to hurt the country and its irresponsible.   Keep it in your pants for 8 years then do what you want.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:50:22 PM EST
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And Truman was way ahead of his time (in retrospect) AND didn't have an affair.  I expect him to continue rocketing up the charts and eventually displace the perpetually overrated George Washington any day now.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:19:07 PM EST
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OVERRATED?  WTF???   Seriously, what a ridiculous statement.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:59:37 PM EST
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Washington was not an especially great president.  He gets props for his military work pre-presidency, which should not count.  

Presiding over the Consitutional Convention that created our Constitution in 1787 was fantastic.  But again, he was not president yet.  

Other than that, he was an entirely hands-off president.  He gets credit for setting many traditions that future presidents would follow, which is all well and good, but does not make him a great president.  

He pushed Jefferson out of the Cabinet in the Genet affair.  He denied our treaties with France after they helped us defeat Britain.  He appointed John Rutledge Chief Justice of the SCOTUS when Rutledge was already exhibiting signs of mental illness.  

Washington was a great man, a great leader of men, absolutely instrumental to our nation's founding and separation from Britain.  He was brilliant and one of the few founding fathers to liberate his slaves upon his death.  We would not be where we are without him.  But he was merely a decent president.  Calling him a great president because of his work pre-1789 is akin to calling Reagan a great president because of his job as Governor.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:11:00 PM EST
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I would rank Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Jefferson, Wilson, and maybe even Jackson (in no particular order) ahead of Washington on the basis of their presidency/ies.  In terms of influence and importance to our nation, Washington probably has to go number 1.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:14:17 PM EST
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I would rank Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Jefferson, Wilson, and maybe even Jackson (in no particular order) ahead of Washington on the basis of their presidency/ies.  In terms of their whole lifetime's influence and importance to our nation, Washington probably has to go number 1.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:14:53 PM EST
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That's quite a leap, richmond.  But then again I wouldn't expect anything less.


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:26:12 PM EST

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How can this be bad for Obama? If anything, it's bad for Hillary since it reminds them of Bill. Or it's bad for McCain since he had affairs.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:27:15 PM EST

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Richmond thinks everything is good for McCain and bad for Obama.  


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:30:39 PM EST
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and politicmatters think everything.... (2.00 / 1)

is about the clintons.


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by canadian gal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:32:56 PM EST
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Looks like we were right about the Enquirer.


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:40:09 PM EST
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yep.  i wish we weren't though ;(


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by canadian gal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:44:54 PM EST
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No I don't, CG.

And if you think people won't think about Bill with this news...I don't understand how you could think that!  People are still making jokes about Bill and his affairs. It's very well-known and it's the very most obvious connection most people would make.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:40:30 PM EST
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I find it interesting that someone would think this would be bad for Hillary Clinton. The Hillary hate continues.


by zenful6219 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:35:01 PM EST
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First, let me say that I don't care a whit about this except that it was poor judgment for him to then run for president knowing what he had done.

But as a political analyst, it is pretty obvious that people will think about other politicians who had affairs in their families. Thus it would remind many people of the Clintons.

Personally, I don't care about what Bill did with whom. Not at all. And the impeachment was ridiculous.

But it's far more likely that Americans are much more likely to associate the Edwards affair with the Clintons than would Obama.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:43:43 PM EST
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Obviously, you cared so much about Bill's indiscretions that you found it necessary to even mention it. This Edwards confession has absolutely nothing to do with Bill or Hillary Clinton.


by zenful6219 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:47:46 PM EST
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oh please, so every politician (none / 0)

whose ever had an affair will automatically make voters think of the Clintons. Thats thinking of a hardcore redneck Republican.


by Lakrosse on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:53:14 PM EST
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